Date

Attendees

Attendee

Name

Affiliation

X

ONC Public Health Analyst (COR)

X

HL7 US Realm Senior Advisor


Acting Director, Standards Division

X

HL7 US Realm PM

X

ONC - Branch Chief, Terminology and Content Delivery

X

ONC - Medical Informatics Officer


Goals

Discussion items

ItemNotesAcknowledgements of understanding ofcurrent design approach or public design approachdiscussion plans (attendee names)
Treatment Intervention Preference

LOINC is  the USCDI recommended vocabulary. We discussed that pre-existing work also leverages SNOMED finding and procedure codes and even CPT.

The group confirmed that other code systems are allowed to communicate the complete meaning within the profile and that LOINC is intended to be the vocabulary/tool the supports queries to see if such preferences were assessed within an EHR

Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the recommendation of LOINC is associated with the category or question.

Other codes systems are allowed (for example) SNOMED as the answers

Care Experience Preference

LOINC is  the USCDI recommended vocabulary. We discussed that pre-existing work also leverages SNOMED finding and procedure codes and even CPT.

The group confirmed that other code systems are allowed to communicate the complete meaning within the profile and that LOINC is intended to be the vocabulary/tool the supports queries to see if such preferences were assessed within an EHR

 

Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the recommendation of LOINC is associated with the category or question.

Other codes systems are allowed (for example) SNOMED as the answers

Alcohol Use

(evaluation/questions)

LOINC is  the USCDI recommended vocabulary. We discussed that pre-existing work also leverages SNOMED finding and procedure codes and even CPT.

The group confirmed that other code systems are allowed to communicate the complete meaning within the profile and that LOINC is intended to be the vocabulary/tool the supports queries to see if alcohol use was assessed within an EHR

  • We discussed whether or not specific value sets should be developed or just profiles to be used be identified - options:
    • Guidance ONLY as to what profile/templates should be used
    • Develop value sets - but keep bindings loose so that if implementations use questionnaires/forms that aign with concepts not in the value sets, they would be free to use other codes
    • Carmela is going to check to see if "preferential bindings" are available in R4 (If code A out of value set A is used at observation.code, then answer list C value set is used at observation.value, if If code B out of value set A is used at observation.code, then answer list D value set is used at observation.value
    • Al mentioned the valuets stewarded by Patient Care might be considered (which are the MCC sets mentioned in the Vocabulary Discrepancies table)

 

Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the recommendation of LOINC is associated with the category or question.

Other codes systems are allowed (for example) SNOMED as the answers

Substance Use

(evaluation/questions)

LOINC is  the USCDI recommended vocabulary. We discussed that pre-existing work also leverages SNOMED finding and procedure codes and even CPT.

The group confirmed that other code systems are allowed to communicate the complete meaning within the profile and that LOINC is intended to be the vocabulary/tool the supports queries to see if substance use was assessed within an EHR

  • We discussed whether or not specific value sets should be developed or just profiles to be used be identified - options:
    • Guidance ONLY as to what profile/templates should be used
    • Develop value sets - but keep bindings loose so that if implementations use questionnaires/forms that aign with concepts not in the value sets, they would be free to use other codes
    • Carmela is going to check to see if "preferential bindings" are available in R4 (If code A out of value set A is used at observation.code, then answer list C value set is used at observation.value, if If code B out of value set A is used at observation.code, then answer list D value set is used at observation.value
    • Al mentioned the valuets stewarded by Patient Care might be considered (which are the MCC sets mentioned in the Vocabulary Discrepancies table)

 

Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the recommendation of LOINC is associated with the category or question.

Other codes systems are allowed (for example) SNOMED as the answers


Physical Activity

(evaluation/questions)

LOINC is  the USCDI recommended vocabulary. 

The group confirmed that other code systems are allowed to communicate the complete meaning within the profile and that LOINC is intended to be the vocabulary/tool the supports queries to see if physical activity assessed within an EHR

  • We discussed whether or not specific value sets should be developed or just profiles to be used be identified - options:
    • Guidance ONLY as to what profile/templates should be used
    • Develop value sets - but keep bindings loose so that if implementations use questionnaires/forms that aign with concepts not in the value sets, they would be free to use other codes
    • Carmela is going to check to see if "preferential bindings" are available in R4 (If code A out of value set A is used at observation.code, then answer list C value set is used at observation.value, if If code B out of value set A is used at observation.code, then answer list D value set is used at observation.value

 

Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the recommendation of LOINC is associated with the category or question.

Other codes systems are allowed (for example) SNOMED as the answers


Lab values/results

SNOMED the USCDI recommended vocabulary. Confirmed that "If encoded" SNOMED is the USCDI recommended vocabulary. (Result may be a Physical Quantity which would be a number plus UCUM to identify the unit)

Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the recommendation of SNOMED is for when the value is encoded and not a PQ

Medication Adherence

Brett discussed the approaches proposed in Argonaut recognizing a design has not yet been decided on:

  • Create an extension pre-adopting the design of the R5 MedicationStatement.adherance on MedicationRequest
  • Bring (back) MedicationStatement and pre-adopting the design of the R5 MedicationStatement.adherance in MedicationStatement as an extension.
  • Create a Medication Adherance observation

Brett explained the history of MedicationStatement within US Core and the complexity of all of the HL7 FHIR Medication Resources

C-CDA will likely create a Medication Observation template/profile that can be used inside a Medication Activity template/profile

We discussed the vocabularies used in the R5 MedicationStatement.adherance.

Both MedicationStatement.adherance and MedicationStatement.adherance.reason use example experimental codes

HL7 Codes at adherence.code: MedicationStatement Adherence Codes (Example)

SNOMED CT codes at adherence.reason:

SNOMED CT Drug Therapy Status codes (Example)

Vocabulary design is still open and use of SNOMED is likely not a problem to design in, but Gay mentioned that for the "high-level" adherance type of codes, SNOMED uses "compliance" concept names which may be considered offensive to some groups. Carmela mentioned that other words could be used in EHR UIs.


Received agreement from Albert W. Taylor and Carmela Minicucci Couderc that the Medication Adherence design approach in US Core has not been determined yet.

They recognized that the high level SNOMED codes concept names may present challenges during ballot and reconciliation.

TEAM: PLEASE CONFIRM THAT IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT IN C-CDA THE DESIGN WILL PROBABLY BE A LOINC CODE AT OBSERVATION.VALUE, WITH SNOMED AT OBSERVATION.VALUE

POINT NOT DISCUSSED: CONSIDER ONC REACHING OUT TO SNOMED TO REQUEST CONCEPT NAME CHANGES FROM USING THE WORK "COMPLIANCE" TO "ADHERANCE"

See children of 414059009 | Drug therapy compliance observations (finding) |

Note that some of the terms have "Adherence" as acceptable synonyms


Lab Result Specimen Condition Acceptability
Lab Result Interpretation

ONC is not finished discussing these two items. internally. We will resume discussion at the next meeting.

Questions was asked as to why the observation.interpretation discrepancy was more severe than specifmen condition given both HL7 Vocabs have been used in V2 for a very long time.

GD reviewed after and it appeasr both are equally problematic

  • v2 Specimen Condition is used in the FHIR Core SpecimenResource and is an extensible binding (which means a term from the value set is required to be used unless the terms do not cover the concept)
  • ObservationInterpretation is used on 2 FHIR Core Resources and +/- 30 Profiles. And is an extensible binding (which means a term from the value set is required to be used unless the terms do not cover the concept)

 

Action items

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